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Suvi

"The public education lobby stirs class and sectarian resentment in its attempts to take funding from private schools"

I don't believe a word of that, except that private schools should be funded privately and not publicly.

Educationally, there seems to be no case for private schools, according to the OECD opinion of Brit-privates:

Once socio-economic factors are accounted for, public and private schools show no significant performance differences. Private schools in the United Kingdom outperform public schools by 86 score points, but they also have a significantly more advantaged socio-economic intake, as measured by the PISA index of economic, social and cultural status. Once the socio-economic intake of students and schools is accounted for, there is no performance difference between public and private schools

Why should anyone bother with private schools?

junius

Suvi asks why anyone should bother with private schools, but surely, if the performance is so similar the question should be: why should the state bother with public schools. Government intervention is almost always justified by the claim that the private sector would be unable to provide the service in question.

As long as private schools are capable of providing education, and a voucher system can be used to secure access for all, why should we tolerate a state-run school system at all?

Arthur Eckart

Suvi, "Once socio-economic factors are accounted for, public and private schools show no significant performance differences. Private schools in the United Kingdom outperform public schools by 86 score points..."

Students from higher social-economic backgrounds tend to be taught by instructors from higher social-economic backgrounds, while students from lower social-economic backgrounds tend to be taught by instructors from lower social-economic backgrounds. Also, classmates tend to have similar social-economic backgrounds. The free market, in general, tends to improve social-economic variables faster than government management to raise absolute scores faster.

kelley

trying to mandate 100% of anything is usually inefficient. Let both public and private schools drop up to 2% of less motivated students and create a separate track for those that don't fit in schools.

Suvi

junius:

"Government intervention is almost always justified by the claim that the private sector would be unable to provide the service in question"

It's true, privates couldn't be possibly trusted to do something as systematic as education on a national scale. They're too ramshackle, don't work together, and aren't accountable because if anything goes wrong, they can just declare bankruptcy and walk away.

I don't know anyone at all who'd allow the great tasks of government, such as defence, health, basic education, civil order and justice to be privatised. It runs against common sense, so why would anyone allow it?

Arthur Eckart

Suvi, many government schools should have went bankrupt, or ceased to exist, long ago. If government didn't exist, a private authority would take its place. It would seem, government intervention or control in education is much too large, i.e. suboptimal to a large extent.

Suvi

No Arthur, government schools can't go bankrupt, whereas privates can, so it's obvious who you can always trust, and who you might not.

Besides, private schools often teach religion as a serious subject, which is a major reason to avoid them.

Arthur Eckart

Suvi, that's why government schools should be run as private schools. So, the poorly run government schools can go bankrupt. It seems, the comment you disagreed with may actually be true: "The public education lobby stirs class and sectarian resentment in its attempts to take funding from private schools." Wasteful government schools are taking funding from private schools, e.g. through taxes.

Many religious and military schools are much better than government schools. So, why avoid or abolish them? Economics is considered a religion by some (since much of it evolved from moral philosophy). Should we avoid it also?

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