Though co-authorship between leading academics and graduate students is common, and can often be of mutual benefit, it is reasonable to expect the professor in question to make a substantial contribution to the end product - especially if they are the lead author.
A key issue is how much credit should be given those who do the hard slog of gathering the evidence and crunching the numbers? When co-writing papers I have always insisted they be the lead author, but I suspect this is often not the case. This paragraph from an article by Jacob Hale Russell in magazine 02138, A Million Little Writers, caught my eye:
One of academia’s up-and-coming darlings is Roland Fryer, an assistant professor in the economics department who began teaching at Harvard just last year. Fryer is a media star: He has appeared on CNN and been written about in the New York Times, Esquire, and this issue of 02138 (see page 34). Fryer’s group, the American Inequality Lab, works on a half-dozen or more major research areas at a time. To do so, Fryer now employs seven full-time “project managers,” mostly recent college alums, and works with dozens of others. The students, generally recent college graduates like David Toniatti, each manage a research project, from designing the methodology to collecting the data and running the numbers. Fryer writes the final papers, for which he is accorded primary authorship. “It’s him casting a vision, us working through the details, and him correcting it,” Toniatti says. “Everyone can run the regression; it’s really the idea that counts.”
I am sure what goes on at Harvard's American Inequality Lab is quite common, and that many economic professors engage in such 'atelier' practices. And at least Fryer is said to write the final papers. But to what extent should such academic outsourcing be accredited? Is co-authorship enough? Comments welcome - especially if you have been party to these kind of arrangements yourself.
UPDATE: Tim Harford links to this post at his FT Undercover Economist blog, and comments:
This makes perfect sense to me, but the 02138 article also lays out some of the risks and problems of too much outsourcing. Roland Fryer, incidentally, is a very impressive figure and features in The Logic of Life. Stephen Dubner (co-author of Freakonomics) wrote a truly astonishing profile of him here - if you never read anything about an economist every again, at least read that.
In physics, generally the lab leader (with a job analagous to Fryer) is the last name on the paper. The general understanding is that he provides guidance, while the students do much of the grunt work. The order of the names of the students indicates who did more of the grunt work.
If all authors made an equal contribution, alphabetical. Sometimes (especially in PRL, since their LaTex style makes this the default), by institution, then alphabetical within the institution.
Math people tend to do everything alphabetical.
Posted by: Some physics dude | Sunday, January 06, 2008 at 12:32 AM
As someone who will probably be an econ graduate student soon, I think Fryer's approach is totally appropriate. The people with the idea should be most credited; don't we prize ideas more than gruntwork abilities in scientists?
Posted by: jsalvati | Sunday, January 06, 2008 at 03:06 AM
"As someone who will probably be an econ graduate student soon, I think Fryer's approach is totally appropriate. The people with the idea should be most credited; don't we prize ideas more than gruntwork abilities in scientists?
Posted by: jsalvati"
I don't think this is acceptable at all. NOT everybody can do the regressions, it takes lots of hard work to put together the the evidence and make the regressions work. I have got my PhD in Econ and have done a lot of the data crunching, my experience is that the one who has done most writing / most data crunching comes in the front, those who have merely provided comments / advices / guidance comes in the back. I have looked at one of Fryer's paper - the idea and concept isn't that new and he has conveniently (like many US academics mind you) forget to quote their fellow folks across the pond who have been working on the same area.
Posted by: Ace | Friday, February 15, 2008 at 11:53 AM
In economics, you can outsource regressions. However, you can't outsource ideas. So, it seems, ideas, whether big or small, are more important. Of course, big ideas, e.g. the Linder Effect (link below) are more influencial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linder_hypothesis
Posted by: Arthur Eckart | Saturday, February 16, 2008 at 01:39 AM
About Roland Fryer
"Roland Fryer, incidentally, is a very impressive figure..."
I don't know much about this economist but at first sight, I can't find anything impressive about him. He looks like a regular mainstream economist, conveying regular mainstream ideas. I can't see why this guy is presented as the next revolution in human science. Can someone enlight me? I would say a priori that these kind of ideas reflect so much common sense in the U.S. that they could be outsourced rather easily.
JD.
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Posted by: Jasmine Rose | Monday, April 07, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Academic outsourcing
I can't see why this guy is presented as the next revolution in human science. Can someone enlight me? I would say a priori that these kind of ideas reflect so much common sense in the U.S. that they could be outsourced rather easily.
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You cannot outsource ideas most definitely. It's something that you cannot take credit for.
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I don't know much about this economist but at first sight, I can't find anything impressive about him. He looks like a regular mainstream economist, conveying regular mainstream ideas. I can't see why this guy is presented as the next revolution in human science. Can someone enlight me? I would say a priori that these kind of ideas reflect so much common sense in the U.S. that they could be outsourced rather easily.
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